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		<title>By: Evolutionary Psychology Still Sucks (At Dawn)&#8212;a radical polyamorous critique of Chris Ryan &#38; Cacilda Jethá&#8217;s Sex At Dawn &#8220;phenomenon&#8221; &#171; Bankraub: eine Initiative von Dilettanten.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolutionary Psychology Still Sucks (At Dawn)&#8212;a radical polyamorous critique of Chris Ryan &#38; Cacilda Jethá&#8217;s Sex At Dawn &#8220;phenomenon&#8221; &#171; Bankraub: eine Initiative von Dilettanten.</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the comments to _Defining the Mountain, one of the movement&#8217;s founders says that it&#8217;s “certainly not political”, but on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On being in limbo &#124; cricket7642</title>
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		<dc:creator>On being in limbo &#124; cricket7642</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] in what ways are these crises rooted in our cultural assumptions, the stories we have told for generations and the ways in which we have seen the world? How do we disentangle ourselves from those assumptions? 22 June 2010 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wolfbird</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These communities, if they retreat into a pure survivalist mode without linking themselves to the concentric circles of the wider community, the state and the planet, will become as morally and spiritually bankrupt as the corporate forces arrayed against us. All infrastructures we build, like the monasteries in the Middle Ages, should seek to keep alive the intellectual and artistic traditions that make a civil society, humanism and the common good possible. Access to parcels of agricultural land will be paramount. We will have to grasp, as the medieval monks did, that we cannot alter the larger culture around us, at least in the short term, but we may be able to retain the moral codes and culture for generations beyond ours. Resistance will be reduced to small, often imperceptible acts of defiance, as those who retained their integrity discovered in the long night of 20th-century fascism and communism.&quot;

&quot;We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history when the bright lights of a civilization blink out and we will descend for decades, if not centuries, into barbarity. The elites have successfully convinced us that we no longer have the capacity to understand the revealed truths presented before us or to fight back against the chaos caused by economic and environmental catastrophe.&quot;

https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/88/chris-hedges.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These communities, if they retreat into a pure survivalist mode without linking themselves to the concentric circles of the wider community, the state and the planet, will become as morally and spiritually bankrupt as the corporate forces arrayed against us. All infrastructures we build, like the monasteries in the Middle Ages, should seek to keep alive the intellectual and artistic traditions that make a civil society, humanism and the common good possible. Access to parcels of agricultural land will be paramount. We will have to grasp, as the medieval monks did, that we cannot alter the larger culture around us, at least in the short term, but we may be able to retain the moral codes and culture for generations beyond ours. Resistance will be reduced to small, often imperceptible acts of defiance, as those who retained their integrity discovered in the long night of 20th-century fascism and communism.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history when the bright lights of a civilization blink out and we will descend for decades, if not centuries, into barbarity. The elites have successfully convinced us that we no longer have the capacity to understand the revealed truths presented before us or to fight back against the chaos caused by economic and environmental catastrophe.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/88/chris-hedges.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/88/chris-hedges.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: wolfbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mower

The mower stalled, twice; kneeling, I found
A hedgehog jammed up against the blades,
Killed. It had been in the long grass.

I had seen it before, and even fed it, once.
Now I had mauled its unobtrusive world
Unmendably. Burial was no help:

Next morning I got up and it did not.
The first day after a death, the new absence
Is always the same; we should be careful

Of each other, we should be kind
While there is still time

P. Larkin.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mower</p>
<p>The mower stalled, twice; kneeling, I found<br />
A hedgehog jammed up against the blades,<br />
Killed. It had been in the long grass.</p>
<p>I had seen it before, and even fed it, once.<br />
Now I had mauled its unobtrusive world<br />
Unmendably. Burial was no help:</p>
<p>Next morning I got up and it did not.<br />
The first day after a death, the new absence<br />
Is always the same; we should be careful</p>
<p>Of each other, we should be kind<br />
While there is still time</p>
<p>P. Larkin.<br />
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		<title>By: wolfbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nicely put, Julian. I would add that there are, of course, other ways of looking at the same historical period, and explaining what has occurred, e.g. industrialism, capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, etc. The British cultural attitude which emphasized jingoistic militarism and racial prejudice, which stressed the resource base to the limits to support world wars, part of the traditional sport of military adventures into Europe and elsewhere going back a millennium and more... part of the story which I was taught as &#039;truth&#039; as a child, indoctrinated into the belief that it was normal, necessary, natural, noble, to do battle, all the way from the Battle of Hasting, to Montgomery versus Rommel in N. Africa, this is what &#039;we Brits&#039; are, and what we do.... we &#039;conquer&#039;, we &#039;vanquish&#039;... all that CRAP... and when the soldiers came back from WW2, they were so psyched up on the adventure and excitement of battle, they couldn&#039;t relax and chill out, they started to attack their own landscape, destroying more ancient woodland in 20 years than had been lost in the previous thousand, ripping out hedgerows, blasting new roads everywhere, ploughing up the ancient meadows and archaeological relics, dosing everything with DDT.... oh dear, you got me going :-)

Here&#039;s some cool pictures. IMO, these images go a long way towards illustrating the real internal spiritual condition of the so-called humans who have been running this country for the last 100 years and more, and there are still plenty of them about...

http://www.travislouie.com/paintings/

The kind of people who think that what this guy is doing is really great and elect him Pig Farmer of the Year, what a hero !

http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/pigs/foston.htm

Love and rage !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely put, Julian. I would add that there are, of course, other ways of looking at the same historical period, and explaining what has occurred, e.g. industrialism, capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, etc. The British cultural attitude which emphasized jingoistic militarism and racial prejudice, which stressed the resource base to the limits to support world wars, part of the traditional sport of military adventures into Europe and elsewhere going back a millennium and more&#8230; part of the story which I was taught as &#8216;truth&#8217; as a child, indoctrinated into the belief that it was normal, necessary, natural, noble, to do battle, all the way from the Battle of Hasting, to Montgomery versus Rommel in N. Africa, this is what &#8216;we Brits&#8217; are, and what we do&#8230;. we &#8216;conquer&#8217;, we &#8216;vanquish&#8217;&#8230; all that CRAP&#8230; and when the soldiers came back from WW2, they were so psyched up on the adventure and excitement of battle, they couldn&#8217;t relax and chill out, they started to attack their own landscape, destroying more ancient woodland in 20 years than had been lost in the previous thousand, ripping out hedgerows, blasting new roads everywhere, ploughing up the ancient meadows and archaeological relics, dosing everything with DDT&#8230;. oh dear, you got me going <img src='http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some cool pictures. IMO, these images go a long way towards illustrating the real internal spiritual condition of the so-called humans who have been running this country for the last 100 years and more, and there are still plenty of them about&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.travislouie.com/paintings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.travislouie.com/paintings/</a></p>
<p>The kind of people who think that what this guy is doing is really great and elect him Pig Farmer of the Year, what a hero !</p>
<p><a href="http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/pigs/foston.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/pigs/foston.htm</a></p>
<p>Love and rage !</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Wolfbird, that is indeed interesting.. 

What is of value here is &#039;taking a long term view as a response to facing-up to a crisis of real immediacy&#039;. We can realise a holistic response that sees this crisis as a stimulant to sow the seeds of something that goes on growing: before, during and after the &#039;collapsing civilisation&#039; phase of the crisis. 

This places the visionary element &#039;in the soil&#039; - and that is probably where it was always supposed to be. Infact, much of what hastens &#039;the collapse scenario&#039; is the result (over the last 2 to 3 centuries) of too great a distance being forged between a relatively steady state, incremental evolution of land based developments/communities and the rapid, abstracted and technologically driven evolution of urbanised developments/communities. The latter then rebounding on the former and establishing unrealistic demands upon soil, plant, animal and man. Especially in the last 100 years. To the extent that our resource base is now severely depleted, disrupted and devalued.

By insisting on a renaissance of the &#039;slow and steady&#039; long-term ecological approach we can indeed &#039;gain time&#039; and &#039;slow the crash&#039;. What&#039;s more, we can harmonise our own rythm&#039;s to what is circadian and seasonal, rather than what is linear and monotone.

It is my contention that &#039;Art&#039;(in the context that Dark Mountain largely places it) can only thrive once re-harnessed to that which is itself of simple, fundamental importance to our daily lives. Soil, water, food, shelter etc. The &#039;soil under the fingernails&#039; that Paul speaks of is indispensible to the coming phase of our evolution - the one that leads to the establishment and expansion of the &#039;arks&#039; that I cite in the above comment.  

The Artist of the 21st century is not the same bird as the Ivory Tower artist of the past. The 21st century artist is an &#039;actor&#039; (man/woman of action) who simply cannot remain a largely passive observer of the fate of his/her planetary home and fellow humans. That which is written, painted, played or sculpted by those who remain aloof from the fate of this planet and all its beings - can no longer be called &#039;art&#039; no matter how eloquent the words or brush strokes that emerge form their exigencies. 

That is the great change which is upon us. The age of responsibility. More fire, less ego, less posturing - and the recognition that we are not seperate from the veins of life that pulse in our embattled Gaia, but irrevocably interconnected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Wolfbird, that is indeed interesting.. </p>
<p>What is of value here is &#8216;taking a long term view as a response to facing-up to a crisis of real immediacy&#8217;. We can realise a holistic response that sees this crisis as a stimulant to sow the seeds of something that goes on growing: before, during and after the &#8216;collapsing civilisation&#8217; phase of the crisis. </p>
<p>This places the visionary element &#8216;in the soil&#8217; &#8211; and that is probably where it was always supposed to be. Infact, much of what hastens &#8216;the collapse scenario&#8217; is the result (over the last 2 to 3 centuries) of too great a distance being forged between a relatively steady state, incremental evolution of land based developments/communities and the rapid, abstracted and technologically driven evolution of urbanised developments/communities. The latter then rebounding on the former and establishing unrealistic demands upon soil, plant, animal and man. Especially in the last 100 years. To the extent that our resource base is now severely depleted, disrupted and devalued.</p>
<p>By insisting on a renaissance of the &#8217;slow and steady&#8217; long-term ecological approach we can indeed &#8216;gain time&#8217; and &#8217;slow the crash&#8217;. What&#8217;s more, we can harmonise our own rythm&#8217;s to what is circadian and seasonal, rather than what is linear and monotone.</p>
<p>It is my contention that &#8216;Art&#8217;(in the context that Dark Mountain largely places it) can only thrive once re-harnessed to that which is itself of simple, fundamental importance to our daily lives. Soil, water, food, shelter etc. The &#8217;soil under the fingernails&#8217; that Paul speaks of is indispensible to the coming phase of our evolution &#8211; the one that leads to the establishment and expansion of the &#8216;arks&#8217; that I cite in the above comment.  </p>
<p>The Artist of the 21st century is not the same bird as the Ivory Tower artist of the past. The 21st century artist is an &#8216;actor&#8217; (man/woman of action) who simply cannot remain a largely passive observer of the fate of his/her planetary home and fellow humans. That which is written, painted, played or sculpted by those who remain aloof from the fate of this planet and all its beings &#8211; can no longer be called &#8216;art&#8217; no matter how eloquent the words or brush strokes that emerge form their exigencies. </p>
<p>That is the great change which is upon us. The age of responsibility. More fire, less ego, less posturing &#8211; and the recognition that we are not seperate from the veins of life that pulse in our embattled Gaia, but irrevocably interconnected.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additional thought - I find it fascinating that you arrived at the above comment, Julian, from reading the limited info I posted, you formulated a good constructive proposal, which is where I was at 20+ years ago, and have been developing ever since, I&#039;ve posted today&#039;s thoughts here ( tinamou ) because I believe there is a way forward that can make a difference, even if it only slows the crash, maybe it buys us all some time...

http://www.permacultureforum.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;t=808&amp;p=3654#p3654</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additional thought &#8211; I find it fascinating that you arrived at the above comment, Julian, from reading the limited info I posted, you formulated a good constructive proposal, which is where I was at 20+ years ago, and have been developing ever since, I&#8217;ve posted today&#8217;s thoughts here ( tinamou ) because I believe there is a way forward that can make a difference, even if it only slows the crash, maybe it buys us all some time&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.permacultureforum.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;t=808&amp;p=3654#p3654" rel="nofollow">http://www.permacultureforum.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;t=808&amp;p=3654#p3654</a></p>
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		<title>By: wolfbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the advice, Julian.

I have been doing just what you recommend, for twenty years. 25 acres, 800 ft. above sea level.

I&#039;m not certain if I will live to see the day, but some of the eco-fascists think that the future will be fortification of such places, with armed guards, to fend off the roving bands of looters and pillagers, the starving and desperate... Can&#039;t say I relish that prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the advice, Julian.</p>
<p>I have been doing just what you recommend, for twenty years. 25 acres, 800 ft. above sea level.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain if I will live to see the day, but some of the eco-fascists think that the future will be fortification of such places, with armed guards, to fend off the roving bands of looters and pillagers, the starving and desperate&#8230; Can&#8217;t say I relish that prospect.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Wolfman and nicely stated. &quot;A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step&quot; Lao-Tzu.

My suggestion: if you haven&#039;t already - get onto a small plot of land about 100 metres or more above sea level and start &#039;growing your own&#039;. Get the shelter heated with wood or other renewable resource and cook using the same. Practice your inner spiritual expansion regularly - and send positive microvita vibrations to others in need. Then link-up with those climbing the same mountain (or trying to) and start &#039;the new resistance&#039; which will eventually help ensure that your species rich hay meadow and cow will not be bulldozed out of existence. Write about it - you are very good with words. 

Then, one day, your &#039;ark&#039; will be one of thousands - because many who have the same idea have actually decided to act on it! Survival and rebirth may just be the same thing, and there will be productive islands between the floods, oasese amongst the deserts and hope amongst the surrounding despair and desolation. And even if the scenario does not work out like this, you will have acted according to your intuition and responded to the life force - which is the starting point and sine qua non for anything of value.

You will also learn to respect the life of the peasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Wolfman and nicely stated. &#8220;A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step&#8221; Lao-Tzu.</p>
<p>My suggestion: if you haven&#8217;t already &#8211; get onto a small plot of land about 100 metres or more above sea level and start &#8216;growing your own&#8217;. Get the shelter heated with wood or other renewable resource and cook using the same. Practice your inner spiritual expansion regularly &#8211; and send positive microvita vibrations to others in need. Then link-up with those climbing the same mountain (or trying to) and start &#8216;the new resistance&#8217; which will eventually help ensure that your species rich hay meadow and cow will not be bulldozed out of existence. Write about it &#8211; you are very good with words. </p>
<p>Then, one day, your &#8216;ark&#8217; will be one of thousands &#8211; because many who have the same idea have actually decided to act on it! Survival and rebirth may just be the same thing, and there will be productive islands between the floods, oasese amongst the deserts and hope amongst the surrounding despair and desolation. And even if the scenario does not work out like this, you will have acted according to your intuition and responded to the life force &#8211; which is the starting point and sine qua non for anything of value.</p>
<p>You will also learn to respect the life of the peasant.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul (and co),

Still tinkering with a contribution to DM, but I&#039;ve just posted on my blog an outline for THE ANSWER!

http://www.gentleapocalypse.com/2010/06/more-economic-growth.html#more

Slow bows,

Captain Mindhorne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul (and co),</p>
<p>Still tinkering with a contribution to DM, but I&#8217;ve just posted on my blog an outline for THE ANSWER!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gentleapocalypse.com/2010/06/more-economic-growth.html#more" rel="nofollow">http://www.gentleapocalypse.com/2010/06/more-economic-growth.html#more</a></p>
<p>Slow bows,</p>
<p>Captain Mindhorne</p>
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