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		<title>By: A fine Romance &#171; The Dark Mountain Project</title>
		<link>http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/2009/09/20/defusing-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>A fine Romance &#171; The Dark Mountain Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] its history has been a long-standing interest of mine. But what really hit me was the way in which Dougald accepted Gray’s comment, writing on this blog that “The territory we are exploring comes with a danger [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] its history has been a long-standing interest of mine. But what really hit me was the way in which Dougald accepted Gray’s comment, writing on this blog that “The territory we are exploring comes with a danger [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cymbula</title>
		<link>http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/2009/09/20/defusing-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>cymbula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For &quot;it&#039;s&quot; in final paragraph read &quot;its&quot;. Natch. I do have a vague idea of apostrophe usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; in final paragraph read &#8220;its&#8221;. Natch. I do have a vague idea of apostrophe usage.</p>
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		<title>By: cymbula</title>
		<link>http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/2009/09/20/defusing-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>cymbula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a society where the new is almost instantly superceded by the newer and  huge resources of creativity are utilised in producing the ephemeral that once glanced on bill board or flickering screen is no more than a vague memory, and where we have no need to comprehend the workings of our tools and gadgets or their function beyond that they provide us with what we desire at the moment we switch them on - and more importantly, we don&#039;t need to understand our own function anymore, because the babble of infotainment stretching away endlessly to our psychic horizons tells us all that it does that for us - it&#039;s hard to find the grit to make traction on meaning. Of any kind that strikes the chord within.

Speaking personally, I begin to find it more by doing less, by fully inhabiting the empty spaces - the gaps - and I increasingly wonder whether a culture so self regarding as ours does no more than create an ever denser, ever darker palimpsest that will ultimately obscure it&#039;s own evidences with impenetrable blackness over the entire page. Mind the gap? No! Find the gap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a society where the new is almost instantly superceded by the newer and  huge resources of creativity are utilised in producing the ephemeral that once glanced on bill board or flickering screen is no more than a vague memory, and where we have no need to comprehend the workings of our tools and gadgets or their function beyond that they provide us with what we desire at the moment we switch them on &#8211; and more importantly, we don&#8217;t need to understand our own function anymore, because the babble of infotainment stretching away endlessly to our psychic horizons tells us all that it does that for us &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to find the grit to make traction on meaning. Of any kind that strikes the chord within.</p>
<p>Speaking personally, I begin to find it more by doing less, by fully inhabiting the empty spaces &#8211; the gaps &#8211; and I increasingly wonder whether a culture so self regarding as ours does no more than create an ever denser, ever darker palimpsest that will ultimately obscure it&#8217;s own evidences with impenetrable blackness over the entire page. Mind the gap? No! Find the gap!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Olner</title>
		<link>http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/2009/09/20/defusing-the-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Olner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the habits, beliefs, artefacts and practices by which we live and make meaning... &quot; 

Shameless self-plug: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coveredinbees.org/node/259&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve recently been pondering&lt;/a&gt; the role of myth, language and magic in food production. Lansing has a lovely quote, referring to what outsiders had called &quot;magic&quot; in Balinese rice management:

&quot;Both the water mountain and the desires of the farmers who sustain its artificial shape must be aligned to far more rigorous patterns than they would take if left to themselves. All this is a question of engineering, not magic. The magical idea is that the two problems are really one - that the forces needed to align the water mountain already exist in the inner world of the farmers.&quot; [Lansing, Perfect Order]

This is, to an extent, reducing myth to its function, but I hope not narrowly. Really I just wanted to convey that, in the Venn diagram of culture and production, there&#039;s plenty happening in the overlap. This might sound like I&#039;m condoning culture only where it meshes with our innate self-organising &quot;tendency to be productive&quot;; not so - as in Bali, Peru and many more places, making that kind of functional-cultural distinction is simply impossible. And, for whatever future we find ourselves in, no-one can pre-empt what patterns we&#039;ll weave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the habits, beliefs, artefacts and practices by which we live and make meaning&#8230; &#8221; </p>
<p>Shameless self-plug: <a href="http://www.coveredinbees.org/node/259" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve recently been pondering</a> the role of myth, language and magic in food production. Lansing has a lovely quote, referring to what outsiders had called &#8220;magic&#8221; in Balinese rice management:</p>
<p>&#8220;Both the water mountain and the desires of the farmers who sustain its artificial shape must be aligned to far more rigorous patterns than they would take if left to themselves. All this is a question of engineering, not magic. The magical idea is that the two problems are really one &#8211; that the forces needed to align the water mountain already exist in the inner world of the farmers.&#8221; [Lansing, Perfect Order]</p>
<p>This is, to an extent, reducing myth to its function, but I hope not narrowly. Really I just wanted to convey that, in the Venn diagram of culture and production, there&#8217;s plenty happening in the overlap. This might sound like I&#8217;m condoning culture only where it meshes with our innate self-organising &#8220;tendency to be productive&#8221;; not so &#8211; as in Bali, Peru and many more places, making that kind of functional-cultural distinction is simply impossible. And, for whatever future we find ourselves in, no-one can pre-empt what patterns we&#8217;ll weave.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gauntlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gauntlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve crafted such a good response to the Gray article. Perhaps the headline point, in defensive terms, is: &quot;We do not suggest that cultural responses should be the only responses to the crises we face, only that without them we may find ourselves in even greater trouble than we are already&quot; - excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve crafted such a good response to the Gray article. Perhaps the headline point, in defensive terms, is: &#8220;We do not suggest that cultural responses should be the only responses to the crises we face, only that without them we may find ourselves in even greater trouble than we are already&#8221; &#8211; excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: vera</title>
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		<dc:creator>vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad article by John Gray. Glad to see his is engaging Dark Mountain. I must say, though, that I find the closing paragraph of his ludicrous. &lt;b&gt;&quot;When confronted with problems that are insoluble, however, the most useful response... is to do whatever can be done, knowing that it will not amount to much... stoicism will be needed if civilised life is to survive...&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Gah?!

Let us tilt at the windmills full well knowing it is going nowhere, and be stoic about it. And this is supposed to help civilized life to survive?! Sounds like desperate grasping for some effective opposition to what you say so well... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad article by John Gray. Glad to see his is engaging Dark Mountain. I must say, though, that I find the closing paragraph of his ludicrous. <b>&#8220;When confronted with problems that are insoluble, however, the most useful response&#8230; is to do whatever can be done, knowing that it will not amount to much&#8230; stoicism will be needed if civilised life is to survive&#8230;&#8221;</b> Gah?!</p>
<p>Let us tilt at the windmills full well knowing it is going nowhere, and be stoic about it. And this is supposed to help civilized life to survive?! Sounds like desperate grasping for some effective opposition to what you say so well&#8230; <img src='http://www.dark-mountain.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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